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Revision
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 Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 7:32 am Post subject: Talking about those Crazy MIT Guys |
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Those MIT guys have gone on to form their own company to design ethanol direct injection turbocharged engines.
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2006/10/startup_working.html#more
It seems they want to sell the designs to Ford and hope to make it a popular new engine. Timetable is 2007 for preliminary prototypes and testing and 2011 for full adoption. |
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1outlaw
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Location: Central Wisconsin
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| Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Thanks for the post Revision- I found in it the original article I had read and much more. |
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jdorff
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| Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 11:43 pm Post subject: E85 - E30 news video from summer 2006 |
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Just found this video news report. I think it is from Calif. summer 2006. It's a good basic overview and contains some folks doing their own mixing. Glad to see I'm not the only one who visits two pumps on a fill up 
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cessna
Joined: 06 Nov 2006
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Location: Iowa
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| Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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Just read this-- more BS.
EPA Investigates Blended Ethanol
Posted by Cindy
Most cars are manufacturer-approved to run on up to ten percent ethanol blended with gasoline. Flex fuel vehicles can run on up to 85 percent. But the Environmental Protection Agency is looking into whether 20 or 30 percent ethanol-blended gasoline meets Clear Air Act standards.
At issue, according to this story in the Aberdeen (SD) News, is that so-called blender pumps “are marked for use by flex fuel vehicles only. However, they operate the same way as regular gasoline pumps, so customers with non-flex fuel vehicles are able to put higher blends of ethanol than are deemed acceptable into their vehicles.”
There are very few stations in the country offering multiple ethanol blends at a pump and the EPA question has already caused them to be shut down in South Dakota until the issue is resolved. |
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imprezarsc
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| Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 10:38 am Post subject: |
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I think they should investigate why it works so well in older cars with little to no modifications 
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Revision
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| Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 1:15 pm Post subject: |
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In counterpoint.
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/061128/ethanol_producers_forum.html?.v=1
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Ethanol Producers Mull Ways to Sell Fuel
Tuesday November 28, 10:22 am ET
By Dave Kolpack, Associated Press Writer
North Dakota Ethanol Producers Look at Ways to Promote Alternative Fuel
FARGO, N.D. (AP) -- Some ethanol boosters say their product would be more attractive if drivers are allowed to select the percentage of the corn-based fuel that's blended in with regular gasoline.
That suggestion came Monday during a meeting with government and industry leaders who are worried that ethanol produced in North Dakota would be shipped out of state unless more residents start using more of it.
"How do we continue to put more and more ethanol in every gallon of gasoline? That's the question," said Roger Johnson, North Dakota agriculture commissioner.
Ethanol is offered in blends of 10 and 85 percent. The number of gas stations in North Dakota selling the 85 percent ethanol blend, or E-85, topped out at about 30 and is falling, said Kent Satrang, who manages Cenex stations in Fargo-Moorhead.
"If you build it they will come," Satrang said. "But it's got to be at the right price."
Many drivers have been scared away by lower fuel efficiency and reports that cars with E-85 start poorly in the winter, said Owen Jones, a Britton, S.D., ethanol producer. He said a blender pump would allow consumers to use a more economical 20 or 30 percent blend and work their way up to E-85.
"If you're looking at E-85 sales, you really need to look hard a blender pump," Jones said.
Federal law prohibits the promotion and production of blends other than E-10 or E-85, said Jocie Iszler, executive director of the North Dakota Corn Growers.
"We think the blender pump concept is a common sense approach," Iszler said. "It's up to the federal government to test and validate what we already know is true."
Sen. Byron Dorgan, who hosted Monday's meeting, said the state soon will be producing about 300 million gallons of ethanol a year. There are 15,000 flexible-fuel vehicles in North Dakota, but many of those owners aren't using E-85.
"We've got a lot of plants being built for a demand that doesn't exist with a (10 percent ethanol) blend," Dorgan said.
The federal government recently passed a bill requiring refiners to produce and use at least 7.5 billion gallons of ethanol in their gasoline every year by 2012. The state should have a standard, Dorgan said.
"I think it's a tough sell in North Dakota, especially with the current makeup of the Legislature," said state Sen. Joel Heitkamp, D-Hankinson. "I can make a promise that the bill will be introduced again."
Mike Williams, a Fargo city commissioner, handed out results of a University of North Dakota survey showing that 96 percent of 600 residents interviewed favor the promotion of renewable energy as a way of reducing dependence on foreign oil. He would like to see a state requirement for ethanol use.
"Whenever you go out and testify at the Legislature, people always say, 'Oh, they're going to mandate something,'" Williams said. "I'm on the city commission and we make laws every other day. A mandate is just another word for a law."
Keith McDougall, manager for a Fargo automobile dealership, said he hasn't seen a demand for flexible-fuel cars.
"We don't have customers on a day-to-day basis walking into our showroom floor asking for E-85 vehicles," he said.
Corn production in North Dakota has doubled since 1999, Iszler said. The state is projected to set a record this year with about 164 million bushels of corn, "even with adverse conditions," she said.
"Right now North Dakota corn growers are doing their part by doing what they do best, and that is growing corn," Iszler said.
Dorgan said there also needs to be incentives that allow corn producers to own shares in ethanol plants.
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cessna
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| Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 1:53 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for posting Revision, I just forwarded that article to some political type friends of mine that keep telling me a blender won't work. Subject line from me said "Dakota guys are figuring it out"
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Revision
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| Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 3:50 pm Post subject: Congress Extends Imported Ethanol Tax |
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http://wcco.com/business/local_story_343165631.html
The tax on imported ethanol into the United States has been extended to January 2009.
The tax was due to run out on October 2007. |
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jdorff
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specialgreen
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| Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 1:02 pm Post subject: ethanol versus corn syrup |
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Today's NYTimes Editorial includes an op-ed titled "The Price of Corn", which focuses on how high fructose corn syrup and ethanol compete for the same field corn:
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Gratifying our two major appetites — cheap food and cheap gas — used to seem easy because both corn and oil were abundant.
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But we are entering a new dynamic now.
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No matter how high prices go, what will need to change isn’t the amount of corn acreage available or even the size of the enormous harvests we are already getting. What will need to change is the size of our appetites.
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But I wonder: how much of the cost of food goes to pay for corn syrup? For a typical soft-drink, about a penny per can pays for the HFCS (see
http://www.beverage-digest.com/cgi-bin/hfcs.cgi ). And the average American eats about 67lbs of HFCS per year :
That's certainly alot, but at 8 cents/lb., is it really anything to worry about? |
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specialgreen
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| Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 10:50 pm Post subject: US may import ethanol |
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Monday's Miami Herald quotes a State Department source, in claiming that the Bush administration is thinking of forming an alliance with Brazil to promote an international market for commodity fuel ethanol:
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/special_packages/5min/16624172.htm
From the wording, it sounds as though the US would sweeten the deal, by romoving some of the current trade barriers to ethanol importation. Wasn't ethanol importation the "third rail" of the agribusiness/biofuel lobby? (as in "don't touch the third rail"). |
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donsevere
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High Fructose Corn Syrup is garbage! It is a poison that is giving everyone diabetes and making us all FAT. More lowballing the quality of our "choices" untill its just about as crappy and harmful as we are willing to buy.
It's sickening I tell you, and there is NO reason they cant get that crap out of our food and in to my GAS TANK!
How about real sugar in our soda's. I buy the Boylans soda cause it has real sugar and it tastes MUCH better.
Here in Idaho I believe that the ethanol is made from sugar beets.So surely there are many options. |
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cessna
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| Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 10:13 am Post subject: |
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You might find this link interesting. Some of the highlights are--- 60 million gallons or 7% of U.S. production can be imported duty free from countries like Brazil. Any amount can be imported from Carribean countries such as Costa Rica and Jamaica duty free. That's why hydrous Brazilian ethanol is hauled to Costa Rica, dehydrated and then sent on to the U.S. duty free. Here's the link for more info.
http://www.card.iastate.edu/iowa_ag_review/spring_06/article3.aspx |
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mtbottle
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| Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 7:11 pm Post subject: Link posting |
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Hello,'
How do I post a link in here? I still cannot figure it out.
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Revision
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| Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 7:38 am Post subject: |
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use this "[url]"http://followed by your link"[/url]"
and remove the " " to make it work.
link example http://e85forum.com
or you can create a custom link like this
"["url=http://test.url"]"Some name you want to use as a short ref"["/url"]"
example: goes to e85 forum
again, remove the " " to make it work. |
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