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E85 + ether = better mileage. Where did I read this?

 
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rmay635703



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 5:59 pm    Post subject: E85 + ether = better mileage. Where did I read this? Reply with quote

Long ago I remember reading something about either ether or some other light material improving the mileage when using e85 and now I can't find the post on the sight.

Anyone remember this? Also where do you get cheap ether to test this theory?

Thus far I am getting 19-20mpg on my big 350 1993 Suburban using 1/4-1/3 tank e85 and mystery oil.

Anyone ever see this before?
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hotrod



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 9:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No never heard that one before.

Ether is too volitile to use as a major fuel component. That is why it is used in starting fluids because it evaporates very easily (in hot weather would cause vapor lock in low pressure systems if in the fuel) , and it has very wide flamability limits.

You may be thinking of something else but I doubt it is ether.

Larrt
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rmay635703



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 8:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm pretty sure it was ether as I remember asking myself, Where would I get that? A chem lab maybe?

It was over 12 months ago, the individual said for each additional ounce he added to his tank of e85 his mileage would go up slightly. I remember other forum members saying the substance was more damaging to hoses and rubber than ethanol and I know it wasn't any type of oil.

Though I have been getting good results with mystery oil and a mix of e85 in my suburban it was only getting about 15mpg for the last year and running craptaskic so I figured what the hey and started adding relatively small amounts of e85 to each tank with the normal dose of Mystery oil (mineral spirits) and my milage went up and has stayed up though I only burn about 1/4-1/3 of a tank of e85. on this old beasty I fear too much and I will eventually end up sitting on the side of the road with a bad fuel pump or worse.

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Alcohol



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ryan- I'll bet it was acetone- if so, better be careful with it. Paint and hoses do not like it. It is in nail polish remover and some paint remover products. Personally- I would avoid acetone.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alcohol wrote:
Ryan- I'll bet it was acetone- if so, better be careful with it. Paint and hoses do not like it. It is in nail polish remover and some paint remover products. Personally- I would avoid acetone.



I haven't tried it, but I remember seeing E10 and Acetone didn't work well together. Acetone and E85 may give you worse MPG.
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rmay635703



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are right, I believe it was acetone, the question is why would that increase fuel economy?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm, see if I can find a place without alcohol in the fuel and maybe I will give a test run or 3.

http://www.lubedev.com/smartgas/faq.htm

I found that place, he is either lying or has some grain of truth.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ryan- it was an endless discussion on Gas Buddy.com and the theory was this was a secret the oil companies did not want you to know about. It supposedly would improve gasoline's atomization thus improving the % of fuel converted to useful energy. Like Burnalcohol states, it reportedly does not work in alcohol. I suspect it may have some cleaning effect since it is a solvent and most users reported it worked best every third tank or so.

Again it would be very bad for your paint and if you were to use it I would inject it into your filler neck and quickly fill the tank with gas to prevent it's action on your tank filler hose. I am not sure what it might do to filter housings and some plastics.You can buy it at paint stores. I will not take a chance with it myself. My recollection is that they were adding 1 and 1/2 ounce per 10 gallons every third tank.
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hotrod



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You are right, I believe it was acetone, the question is why would that increase fuel economy?


The placebo effect!

General opinion seems to be for most cars and drivers it does not do a thing, other than make the driver think he is doing something -- that results in an unconscious change in driving style which leads to fuel milage improvements.

Acetone is a powerful solvent so on some cars might help by cleaning the fuel system (not very relevent to E85 fueled vehicles).

It is also a fuel additive that has historically been used in small amounts in some racing fuel blends because like the alcohols acetone (a ketone) has oxygen in its molecule and it helps to stabilize the fuel burn under some condtions and being highly volitile it can improve the "light ends" of the fuel distillation curve.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 1:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rmay635703 wrote:
I'm pretty sure it was ether as I remember asking myself, Where would I get that? A chem lab maybe?


well in canada we use ether for coldstarting diesel engines

but some other people use ether for other reasons lol

you think a shot of ether in the engine intake manifold instead of nitrous would wake up the chemical process in the combustion of the ethanol ? it's possible
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