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EthanAll · Joined: 30 Jun 2009 Posts: 10 Location: Colorado, USA

I just spoke to a person at the local donut shop who said they do throw away old donuts.

Also, I am going to speak to my friends who own the local brewery (less than one mile away!) and see if there are any waste products there and/or if any of their equipment sits idle, and could be used in production somehow!?

hotrod · Joined: 19 Apr 2005 Posts: 812 Location: Colorado

EthanAll · Joined: 30 Jun 2009 Posts: 10 Location: Colorado, USA

Thanks, Larry - I sent her an email!

Steve

Dale · Joined: 04 Aug 2009 Posts: 2

Dale Day here from Grimes Iowa glad to see so much talk and hot rodding and racing on E85.
We had a 250000 gallon ethanol plant on the farm in 1979. My dad and brother and I were a pioneer in the ethanol industry in the early 80s. My dad Dennis went to congress to stop the MTBE along with the Iowa Corn Promotion Board and failed. The ethanol industry died after that and he always said that he would run the plant in his retirement years but he didn’t make it. Boy would he like to see it now. He did leave his mark on the industry and he didn’t know it. He and two friends built and invented the first Molecular Sieve to make anhydrous alcohol. That is how all ethanol is made now. Before that it was done from a Benzene intrainer that the APV Company from Tonawanda New York made. It was very expensive and very dangerous being around Benzene which is a carcinogen. We have the worlds largest under ground natural gas storage plant in Redfield Iowa here and he used the idea that they do to make natural gas anhydrous when it is shipped out to the customer.
We made 200 proof here on the farm and I would drive around the state on 200 proof and go to the area community collages that the Iowa Corn Promotion Board put on and have classes on how to make ethanol and show the class that I drove there on what I made.
In the early days the BATF made us denature the ethanol with Bitrex and then later was gasoline. In 1980 I found that it was very difficult if not imposable when it was cold to get a 13.2 to one 302 small block Chevy to start with out giving it a shot of gas first. I found out that 15 percent gas didn’t hurt the octane much and it would start and would denature it back then.
I guess that I have a mid life crisis now. I always believed back then that some day that you will be able to go to the gas station and buy E85. I would have given my left arm to do it back then. I built a new 12.5 to one 360 Chevy small block Dart aluminum heads Comp roller cam Edelbrock Air Gap intake and side dump Headman Headers and a stock 600 CFM 4776-3 Holley four barrel double pumper carb. Raised the primary jets from 66 to 78 and the secondary from 76 to 88 drilled the idle restrictor from .032 to .035 and .130 needle and seat and it works absolutely perfect.
I put it in the same car that I used back in 1980 a 1969 Corvette tee top four speed.
Yup I still have it. I just got the Carb tuned today. If you guys haven’t thought about it you can buy an O2 sensor and a 2 inch O2 auto meter gauge and mount it in the dash and it takes all the work out of getting your carbs tuned. Boy I wish that I had that 29 years ago.
That ride that I had today was the most wicked ride that I have ever had in my life.
I always believed that some day E85 would be here and it is just like the 60s again. Bring out all your old 10 11 12 to one old Corvettes Novas Cameros Mustangs GTOs and fill them up at the pumps like the old 100 low lead. And for under 2 dollars a gallon.
I have an E85 pump a mile and a half from the farm now.
Life is good. Very Happy

hotrod · Joined: 19 Apr 2005 Posts: 812 Location: Colorado

Welcome to the board Dale!

Thanks for the review of the early days, and your experience back then. Nice to have another old fart on the board Wink

Larry

Dale · Joined: 04 Aug 2009 Posts: 2

Dale Day here from Grimes Iowa glad to see so much talk and hot rodding and racing on E85.
We had a 250000 gallon ethanol plant on the farm in 1979. My dad and brother and I were a pioneer in the ethanol industry in the early 80s. My dad Dennis went to congress to stop the MTBE along with the Iowa Corn Promotion Board and failed. The ethanol industry died after that and he always said that he would run the plant in his retirement years but he didn’t make it. Boy would he like to see it now. He did leave his mark on the industry and he didn’t know it. He and two friends built and invented the first Molecular Sieve to make anhydrous alcohol. That is how all ethanol is made now. Before that it was done from a Benzene intrainer that the APV Company from Tonawanda New York made. It was very expensive and very dangerous being around Benzene which is a carcinogen. We have the worlds largest under ground natural gas storage plant in Redfield Iowa here and he used the idea that they do to make natural gas anhydrous when it is shipped out to the customer.
We made 200 proof here on the farm and I would drive around the state on 200 proof and go to the area community collages that the Iowa Corn Promotion Board put on and have classes on how to make ethanol and show the class that I drove there on what I made.
In the early days the BATF made us denature the ethanol with Bitrex and then later was gasoline. In 1980 I found that it was very difficult if not imposable when it was cold to get a 13.2 to one 302 small block Chevy to start with out giving it a shot of gas first. I found out that 15 percent gas didn’t hurt the octane much and it would start and would denature it back then.
I guess that I have a mid life crisis now. I always believed back then that some day that you will be able to go to the gas station and buy E85 back then. I would have given my left arm to do it back then. I built a new 12.5 to one 360 Chevy small block Dart aluminum heads Comp roller cam Edelbrock Air Gap intake and side dump Headman Headers and a stock 600 CFM 4776-3 Holley four barrel double pumper carb. Raised the primary jets from 66 to 78 and the secondary from 76 to 88 drilled the idle restrictor from .032 to .035 and .130 needle and seat and it works absolutely perfect.
I put it in the same car that I used back in 1980 a 1969 Corvette tee top four speed.
Yup I still have it. I just got the Carb tuned today. If you guys haven’t thought about it you can buy an O2 sensor and a 2 inch O2 auto meter gauge and mount it in the dash and it takes all the work out of getting your carbs tuned. Boy I wish that I had that 29 years ago.
That ride that I had today was the most wicked ride that I have ever had in my life.
I always believed that some day E85 would be here and it is just like the 60s again. Bring out all your old 10 11 12 to one old Corvettes Novas Cameros Mustangs GTOs and fill them up at the pumps like the old 100 low lead. And for under 2 dollars a gallon.
I have an E85 pump a mile and a half from the farm now.
Life is good.

Alcohol · Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Posts: 567 Location: Central Wisconsin

Welcome Dale-- it is good to hear from you and to see what you have done. In those same old days I was in the grain/building trades- for one still at a feed research farm a couple of us put up 4 big hopper bins for their still. They did beef/dairy feed trails on the wet distillers while the petroleum side of the company gathered data on the ethanol side-- soon after they kicked off gasohol in the area. It was 1978.