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imprezarsc · Joined: 29 Jun 2005 Posts: 87

I posted this everywhere but here....

I've (so far!!!) successfully implemented the use of factory parts to create an E85 powered Subaru RS. I swapped in new 440 WRX injectors to replace my 280cc stock ones. I also installed new o2 sensors since the others were shot, as well as colder plugs with a tight gap. It retains the factory ecu, all sensors, and all engine parts.

Just WOW! It's hard to believe the car does THIS. I have yet to go back to the dyno, but I can assure you this is faster than it was on the old ethanol tune. I should have done it like this a long time ago. To still have used all factory parts and the ECU doesn't complain and the car runs beautifully? Someone, or several people, thought of this at the factory before I came across it. It works too well to be an accident.

I wish the factories would come out with reprogramming and services regarding flex-fuel conversions and ethanol usage. The EPA, marketing, and lawyers stand in the way though. america is stifling it's own creativity through too many special interest groups bickering about their own special interest. Doing a conversion like this is illegal because laws were written that way by the same men now encouraging developments like these. That total hypocrisy drives people away from developing new technologies and ideas. What incentive do people have to be creative when lawsuit vultures circle over good ideas? Self-centered letigious purposes do the greater good NO GOOD AT ALL! One special interest group could be in line to sue you, gather your information, and pass it on to another interest group they're friends with who in turn kicks back profits or donations to the original group that put a hard working person or people out of business.

If someone with any pull is reading this...stop the madness. We're cluster-fucking ourselves with debates rather than taking any action.
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Revision · Joined: 14 Sep 2005 Posts: 194 Location: Carol Stream, IL

The car manufacturers are using the EPA regulations on converting gasoline cars to E85 as an excuse to get people to buy E85 capable vehicles instead of converting them over to E85. The EPA really hasn't shown interest in shutting down the illegal conversion of cars or else they would have gone after several producers of aftermarket turbo kits and such which remove OEM catalytic converters and install larger injectors and change the ignition timing. Frankly, there are more people out there with illegal header back modifications than there are people running E30 or E85 in a gasoline vehicle.

But, in a sense you are correct about the current business culture of stifling out innovation. Which is why there are anonymous forums such as this for conversing about theoretical ideas about converting a car to E85. Wink

And remember, while you are being arrested, to wave and smile to the reporters and the cameras and proclaim loudly that you are a political target of big business and bad government and that it is the fault of President (whoever is in office at the time) for leading the country into ruin. Laughing

hotrod · Joined: 19 Apr 2005 Posts: 812 Location: Colorado

Revision · Joined: 14 Sep 2005 Posts: 194 Location: Carol Stream, IL

imprezarsc · Joined: 29 Jun 2005 Posts: 87

But but but....

I get such good reception with it! Leave my tin-foil hat alone. MOOOMMMMMM! Wink

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Seriously, though, the engine is set up quite well from the factory to make use of it. It's 10:1 compression, btw Wink

. I ran against a friend's turbo swapped RS last night (2.0L, stock turbo, top mt. w/ catback ex.). He's got me by about a full second in the 1/4 the best we can tell. I shift at 6k, his at 7k and we're both using the same 4.11 gears w/ 5-spd. Every time he pulled on me was when I shifted and he didn't have to, otherwise we were right at each others door. His power is all up top. My car has plenty of low end and midrange grunt. It wasn't really apples to oranges...more like lemons to limes Laughing

. We both liked swapping rides around to compare. Good times.

What was surprising was when we got back to his house. Now that he has his WRX parts swapping done, he can upgrade all the stock stuff. A TXS stage 4 with a new turbo, pipes, injectors, unichip, etc. It's all street legal stuff. What kinda angered me a little bit was that in that parts list (injectors and ECU tuning.) was everything needed to run ethanol fuel anyway. I can't reiterate enough that it's only a matter of retuning, not trying to capture a piece of the sun. Larry's quote proves that the government already knows the capabilities are there in the stock systems. Why not let us use it?

(Quoting the gub'mt at their own game is priceless.... Wink

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Quote:
http://www.ransac.org/Projects%20and%20Publications/News/Nuclear%20News/414200623353PM.html

U.S. REPRESENTATIVE DAVID HOBSON (R-OH) HOLDS A HEARING ON FISCAL YEAR 2007 APPROPRIATIONS FOR ENERGY SUPPLY, CONSERVATION, AND FOSSIL ENERGY PROGRAM
Federal News Service
4/5/2006
(for personal use only)

COMMITTEE: ENERGY AND WATER DEVELOPMENT AND RELATED AGENCIES SUBCOMMITTEE
SUBCOMMITTEE: HOUSE APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE
SPEAKER:
U.S. REPRESENTATIVE DAVID HOBSON (R-OH), CHAIRMAN

WITNESSES:
DAVID GARMAN, UNDERSECRETARY OF ENERGY FOR ENERGY, SCIENCE, AND ENVIRONMENT
KEVIN KOLEVAR, DIRECTOR, OFFICE OF ELECTRICITY AND ENERGY ASSURANCE, DEPARMENT OF ENERGY
ALEXANDER "ANDY" KARSNER, ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF ENERGY FOR ENERGY EFFICIENCY, AND RENEWABLE ENERGY
DENNIS SPURGEON, ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF ENERGY FOR NUCLEAR ENERGY
GEORGE RUDINS, DEPUTY ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF ENERGY, FOR COAL AND POWER SYSTEMS

GARMAN: Yes. Our capacity to put flexible-fuel vehicles on the road that burn E85 exceeds our capacity to supply them with E85. It's a relatively easy thing to make a vehicle E85 compatible. It's unit cost of under $100 per vehicle.
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specialgreen · Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 1:18 pm Post subject:

ender · Joined: 12 May 2006 Posts: 15 Location: minneapolis

not to mention with all the negative press from the oil prices/supply issues in the media lately, i'd like to see the politician that would allow the prosecution of people taking the issue into their own garages to move away from oil dependency. talk about campaign suicide.